OBAMA LAWSUITS (update)
Yes lawsuits as in plural. The most famous is of course Phil Berg's lawsuit being appealed to the Supreme Court. This suit was in the Hawaii Supreme Court but was dismissed just before the election. Obama has until December 1, 2008 to respond to the lawsuit.(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 11/07/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States filed a Writ of Certiorari in the United States Supreme Court on October 30, 2008, requesting review of the United States District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania, Judge Surrick’s Dismissal of Philip J. Berg’s lawsuit against Barack H. Obama, Jr., the DNC and the other co-Defendants. Accordingly, the U. S. Supreme Court has set dates in which Barack Obama, the DNC and all co-Defendants are to respond to the Writ, which is on or before. You can read about the Berg vs. Obama lawsuit here.
Additionally, Dr. Alan Keys has filed a lawsuit challenging Obama's eligibility to be President. This is a partial copy of the lawsuit:Legal Basis
62. Article II, Section I of the United States Constitution, states, in pertinent part, as follows:
"No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"
63. Senator Barack H. Obama is a candidate for the Office of the President of the United States. However, to assume such office, Senator Obama must meet the qualifications specified for the Office of the President of the United States, which includes that he must be a "natural born" citizen. Senator Obama has failed to demonstrate that he is a "natural born" citizen. There are other legal challenges before various state and federal courts regarding aspects of lost or dual citizenship concerning Senator Obama. Those challenges, in and of themselves, demonstrate Petitioners’ argument that reasonable doubt exists as to the eligibility of the Democratic Party’s nominee for President.
64. SOS is responsible for ensuring the validity of the State election process by, among other things, verifying the qualifications of the voters, approving the ballots and the candidates, supervising the counting of the ballots, and certifying the results. This certification of the vote by SOS, based upon which Electors received the highest number of votes in the state, is the method provided for in California law for ascertaining which Electors are appointed to vote for president (California Elections Code §15505, 3 U.S.C. § 6). On December 1, or as soon as soon as the election results have been received from all counties in the state, SOS shall certify the names of the ascertained Electors to the Governor, and then transmit to each presidential Elector a certificate of election (California Elections Code § 15505). The Governor then issues and seals a Certificate of Ascertainment which is delivered to the Electors by December 15 (3 U.S.C. § 6), who then meet to sign the Certificate of Vote (Federal Election Code § 192.006). The office of SOS is intended to be non-biased and to provide the critical sense of fairness and impartiality necessary for the people to have faith in the fundamental underpinnings of the democratic basis for our elections. You can read more about Keys lawsuit here at Sound Investments. and here at Gateway Pundit.
December 1, 2008.
13 comments:
Interesting lawsuits. I'm surprised that the media isn't covering them...oh no I'm not.
This bring up an incredibly interesting scenario if any of these suits are succesful. First, Biden would be President. And there will be outrage for over half the voters in the country.
How would the results of the election be viewed? It would be a fraud. There would be calls for another election.
It's way too late for all this--it should have been done two years ago. Now, the courts have no option but to quash these things, to avert mass rioting and blood in the streets..
Well, if true, then they would not hold another election, the Senate would simply appoint the next president, and it could be anyone they want-- even Hillary Clinton.
I thought the seat goes to the speaker of the house.. President Nancy Pelosi.. I think I'll take my chances with Obama.
Nope. For a "sitting president", if he can no longer perform his/her duties, then the vice-president is sworn in, and if he/she is not able to perform, then the speaker of the house, and then the secretary of state.
Obama is not yet president. He first has to be confirmed by the Senate.
The way it works, is that the voters vote for whom they want. Then the "electoral college" votes (depending on the state), either for ONE candidate, or for EACH candidate (depending on the percentage of the votes). Some states allow for a few "floating" electoral votes. Anyway, these electoral votes are then officially counted by the US Senate (which has not happened yet), and then the Senate "confirms" the president elect (which has not happened yet). If the Senate (for what ever reason) does NOT "confirm" the president-elect (for some reason-- for example he was not born in the USA), then they may APPOINT a president. They may appoint ANYONE THEY WANT, regardless of any election outcome, etc.
Thus, it is POSSIBLE, that Hillary Clinton COULD be our next president. It CAN happen, and it MIGHT happen if Obama is found to not be a "natural born citizen" of the USA.
Either way it goes, we are in for some interesting times ahead!!!
~kp
See the article at http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931!!!
Additional info:
While Berg's suit heads for the Supreme Court, where it may well be dismissed, upholding the lower court's "lack of standing" ruling… Alan Keyes and others are suing to keep CALIFORNIA's electoral votes from being granted to Obama until he proves his eligibility. This is the latest in a series of more than 10 active suits in a variety of states. Andy Martin is suing in the State of HI to force production of the original Birth Certificate document. The Secretaries of State in a number of states are being challenged in court to verify eligibility before certifying the electoral votes. The constitutional eligibility question is far from settled, however it is a greater crisis since Obama won the election!
Here's a listing of some active suits…
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80928
Obama has put forth only a "Certification of live birth", which is NOT A Birth Certificate!
After months and months of unrequited requests, the Obama campaign did finally present a document which they claimed validated his eligibility (per the Constitution of the Unted States, Article II, Section I) as a "Natural born citizen" to have his name on the ballot in contention for the office of the President of the United States of America.
However, what the Obama campaign supplied was not, in fact, a "birth certificate". What they supplied was actually a "Certificate of Live Birth." There is a major difference between a "birth certificate" and a "Certificate of Live Birth."
Aside from the level of detail differentiating the documents (hospital of record, doctor, height, weight, etc) - in the state of Hawaii, one authenticates natural born citizenship, and the other doesn't. This part is important; - it has nothing to do with tin foil hats.
Per the State of Hawaii's Department of Health, "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country." (For citation purposes, please feel free to visit their site: http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html).
The "Certificate of Live Birth" provided by Obama, is in fact, a derivative of the "Amended certificates of birth" they site. Why is that important? Because of that second clause in the above citation. While you may show citizenship via such a document, you do not necessarily prove "natural born" citizenship. "Natural born citizenship" is what is required to be eligible to be considered for the Presidency, per the United States Constitution.
The form Obama posted wouldn't even be acceptable to make an application in Hawaii's Home Lands Program!
From: http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.
THIS is a HI Birth Certificate:
http://snarkybytes.com/?p=521
And this is the Certificate of Live Birth posted on Obama's website:
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
Notice any differences?
Hospital of birth? Residence address of mother? Birthplace of parents? SIGNATURE OF ATTENDANT AT BIRTH?
What Obama has posted IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
There is a further complication, however. His subsequent adoption by Lolo Soetoro and resultant INDONESIAN citizenship is a bigger fly in his ointment. (I laugh whenever reference is made to "citizen of the WORLD'... Obama truly is a WORLD CITIZEN!)
Indonesia, at the time Obama lived there and was deemed an Indonesian citizen, did not recognize dual citizenship, and neither did the US recognize dual citizenship with Indonesia. Thus, whether he held dual citizenship with the US and Kenya, whether he was born in the US or Kenya, or even - as some suggest - CANADA, is irrelevant as the ONLY legitimate citizenship he held once his adopted father moved him to Indonesia was Indonesian! His US Citizenship would be forfeit!
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/
Whether and when Barry Soetoro/Barack Obama might have regained US Citizenship thereafter, it would be thru NATURALIZATION and that is SPECIFICALLY and EXPRESSLY ineligible to serve as President of the United States under Title II. (Could this be why he uses the politically risky name Barack Hussein Obama instead of the more innocuous "Barry Soetoro"? Perhaps Barry Soetoro is STILL an Indonesian citizen? Perhaps there are naturalization papers in the name of Barry Soetoro? I'm just asking...)
See the article at http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931!!!
Additional info:
While Berg's suit heads for the Supreme Court, where it may well be dismissed, upholding the lower court's "lack of standing" ruling… Alan Keyes and others are suing to keep CALIFORNIA's electoral votes from being granted to Obama until he proves his eligibility. This is the latest in a series of more than 10 active suits in a variety of states. Andy Martin is suing in the State of HI to force production of the original Birth Certificate document. The Secretaries of State in a number of states are being challenged in court to verify eligibility before certifying the electoral votes. The constitutional eligibility question is far from settled, however it is a greater crisis since Obama won the election!
Here's a listing of some active suits…
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80928
Obama has put forth only a "Certification of live birth", which is NOT A Birth Certificate!
After months and months of unrequited requests, the Obama campaign did finally present a document which they claimed validated his eligibility (per the Constitution of the Unted States, Article II, Section I) as a "Natural born citizen" to have his name on the ballot in contention for the office of the President of the United States of America.
However, what the Obama campaign supplied was not, in fact, a "birth certificate". What they supplied was actually a "Certificate of Live Birth." There is a major difference between a "birth certificate" and a "Certificate of Live Birth."
Aside from the level of detail differentiating the documents (hospital of record, doctor, height, weight, etc) - in the state of Hawaii, one authenticates natural born citizenship, and the other doesn't. This part is important; - it has nothing to do with tin foil hats.
Per the State of Hawaii's Department of Health, "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country." (For citation purposes, please feel free to visit their site: http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html).
The "Certificate of Live Birth" provided by Obama, is in fact, a derivative of the "Amended certificates of birth" they site. Why is that important? Because of that second clause in the above citation. While you may show citizenship via such a document, you do not necessarily prove "natural born" citizenship. "Natural born citizenship" is what is required to be eligible to be considered for the Presidency, per the United States Constitution.
The form Obama posted wouldn't even be acceptable to make an application in Hawaii's Home Lands Program!
From: http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.
THIS is a HI Birth Certificate:
http://snarkybytes.com/?p=521
And this is the Certificate of Live Birth posted on Obama's website:
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
Notice any differences?
Hospital of birth? Residence address of mother? Birthplace of parents? SIGNATURE OF ATTENDANT AT BIRTH?
What Obama has posted IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
There is a further complication, however. His subsequent adoption by Lolo Soetoro and resultant INDONESIAN citizenship is a bigger fly in his ointment. (I laugh whenever reference is made to "citizen of the WORLD'... Obama truly is a WORLD CITIZEN!)
Indonesia, at the time Obama lived there and was deemed an Indonesian citizen, did not recognize dual citizenship, and neither did the US recognize dual citizenship with Indonesia. Thus, whether he held dual citizenship with the US and Kenya, whether he was born in the US or Kenya, or even - as some suggest - CANADA, is irrelevant as the ONLY legitimate citizenship he held once his adopted father moved him to Indonesia was Indonesian! His US Citizenship would be forfeit!
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/
Whether and when Barry Soetoro/Barack Obama might have regained US Citizenship thereafter, it would be thru NATURALIZATION and that is SPECIFICALLY and EXPRESSLY ineligible to serve as President of the United States under Title II. (Could this be why he uses the politically risky name Barack Hussein Obama instead of the more innocuous "Barry Soetoro"? Perhaps Barry Soetoro is STILL an Indonesian citizen? Perhaps there are naturalization papers in the name of Barry Soetoro? I'm just asking...)
I doubt Berg will get too far with this, unfortunately.
Read this:
http://wattsbunker.blogspot.com/2008/11/e-mail-rumor.html
Read this:
http://wattsbunker.blogspot.com/2008/11/e-mail-rumor.html
We are coming to a crisis no matter what happens.
KWP: Nope. You are forgetting Robt. Byrd in your scenario.
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